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"Waltzing Matilda" episode
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The Mullen ®
2005-02-19 15:01:25 UTC
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Can anyone tell me why fatty Bud started singing Waltzing Matilda at
the end of this episode?

Also, the Marine accused of murder (who was subsequently sentanced to
death) had no medals, markings or chevrons on his uniform. I thought
this was a bit strange as the two marines accused of murder in A Few
Good Men were displaying full rank insignia and ribbons during their
trial.

Good luck!
Ann
2005-02-19 15:30:28 UTC
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Post by The Mullen ®
Can anyone tell me why fatty Bud started singing Waltzing Matilda at
the end of this episode?
Wasn't it because they were at a good-bye party for Mic, who was going
back to Australia?
Post by The Mullen ®
Also, the Marine accused of murder (who was subsequently sentanced to
death) had no medals, markings or chevrons on his uniform. I thought
this was a bit strange as the two marines accused of murder in A Few
Good Men were displaying full rank insignia and ribbons during their
trial.
Good luck!
The Mullen ®
2005-02-19 16:22:52 UTC
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yes, that's why he did it...., he could have sung anything really, such
as Vera Lynn's We'll Meet Again, but what was the significance of this
song?

Good luck!
JD
2005-02-19 16:34:57 UTC
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Post by The Mullen ®
yes, that's why he did it...., he could have sung anything really, such
as Vera Lynn's We'll Meet Again, but what was the significance of this
song?
http://www.nla.gov.au/epubs/waltzingmatilda/

" 'Waltzing Matilda' is Australia's best known and much loved national song.
It is recognised by every Australian, and has attained international status
as the nation's unofficial national anthem."
Inyo
2005-02-20 06:16:43 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by The Mullen ®
yes, that's why he did it...., he could have sung anything really, such
as Vera Lynn's We'll Meet Again, but what was the significance of this
song?
http://www.nla.gov.au/epubs/waltzingmatilda/
" 'Waltzing Matilda' is Australia's best known and much loved
national song.
Post by JD
It is recognised by every Australian, and has attained international status
as the nation's unofficial national anthem."
Speaking of Waltzing Matilda, not long ago I obtained a CD of a vintage
live performance by the classic US folk group, The New Christy
Minstrels (one of the original members was of course Barry McGuire, who
had a #1 hit with "Eve Of Destruction" in 1965). It was recorded
somewhere in the Los Angeles area circa mid 1960s, I believe, with the
original, most famous of lineups that featured Nick Woods, Art Podell,
Barry Kane, Barry McGuire, Larry Ramos and of course group leader Randy
Sparks, among others. One of the numbers the group performed was a
truly enjoyable interpretation of "Waltzing Matilda"--it's the single
best version I have ever heard, complete with witty, humurous
translations of Australian-speak interspersed with lively singing and
playing. The entire rendition ends with a serious choral arrangement
with audience participation. Quite a gem of a vintage live performance
by the Christies.

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as well.
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chrissynow
2005-02-20 07:19:09 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by The Mullen ®
yes, that's why he did it...., he could have sung anything really, such
as Vera Lynn's We'll Meet Again, but what was the significance of this
song?
http://www.nla.gov.au/epubs/waltzingmatilda/
" 'Waltzing Matilda' is Australia's best known and much loved
national song.
Post by JD
It is recognised by every Australian, and has attained international status
as the nation's unofficial national anthem."
Speaking of Waltzing Matilda, not long ago I obtained a CD of a vintage
live performance by the classic US folk group, The New Christy
Minstrels (one of the original members was of course Barry McGuire, who
had a #1 hit with "Eve Of Destruction" in 1965). It was recorded
somewhere in the Los Angeles area circa mid 1960s, I believe, with the
original, most famous of lineups that featured Nick Woods, Art Podell,
Barry Kane, Barry McGuire, Larry Ramos and of course group leader Randy
Sparks, among others. One of the numbers the group performed was a
truly enjoyable interpretation of "Waltzing Matilda"--it's the single
best version I have ever heard, complete with witty, humurous
translations of Australian-speak interspersed with lively singing and
playing. The entire rendition ends with a serious choral arrangement
with audience participation. Quite a gem of a vintage live performance
by the Christies.

"The Acoustic Guitar Solitaire Of Inyo"--I play 23 solo, acoustic,
instrumental 6-string guitar versions of some of my favorite songs--all
available for free download in 128kbps MP3 format. Also, I've included
a new feature--a Podcast (or Cybercast, if you will--a streaming and
downloadable MP3 audio file) I call "It's A Happening Thing" that
features music exclusively from the year 1967: 45rpm records that made
the US Billboard charts top 100, plus album cuts from various artists,
as well.
http://members.aol.com/geowrs/music/inyocybercd.html


If you don't know the meaning of the song 'Waltzing Matilda' it is really
simple.

A man goes up to a sheep farm, steals some sheep, is accused of the theft by
the owner of the sheep and the police but rather than face the consequence
of being a thief he commits suicide.

We are a strange bunch Down Under as we make a hero out of a sheep-stealing
thief who commits suicide rather than face up to his actions and a police
murdering bushranger who was hung for his crimes. (like Jesse James).

They are heroes because they thumb their noses at authority.

I am waiting for the day when a young Aussie says to the magistrate/judge 'I
did it because I was taught that it was the right thing to do in Waltzing
Matilda or because of the bushrangers who are the heroes rather than the
enforcers of the law who are portrayed as oppressors.

Personally I hate Waltzing Matilda but you are right in that it is the
unofficial national song as more Aussies know the words to that than know
the words to Advance Australia Fair.
Rick
2005-02-20 15:51:48 UTC
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:19:09 +1100, chrissynow wrote:

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Post by chrissynow
We are a strange bunch Down Under as we make a hero out of a sheep-stealing
thief who commits suicide rather than face up to his actions and a police
murdering bushranger who was hung for his crimes. (like Jesse James).
Jesse James was not hung. He was shot from behind.
--
Rick
LRod
2005-02-20 16:57:46 UTC
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Post by Rick
(snip)
Post by chrissynow
We are a strange bunch Down Under as we make a hero out of a sheep-stealing
thief who commits suicide rather than face up to his actions and a police
murdering bushranger who was hung for his crimes. (like Jesse James).
Jesse James was not hung. He was shot from behind.
He might have been hung--he just wasn't hanged.

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Maureen Goldman
2005-02-20 21:51:56 UTC
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To get back to the original topic: Which episode was being referred
to? They sang "Waltzing Matilda" when Mic departed JAG, and the same
segment was run at the end of (I believe) the season premiere after
Trevor Goddard's death as a tribute.
chrissynow
2005-02-21 10:33:11 UTC
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Post by Rick
(snip)
Post by chrissynow
We are a strange bunch Down Under as we make a hero out of a
sheep-stealing
Post by Rick
Post by chrissynow
thief who commits suicide rather than face up to his actions and a police
murdering bushranger who was hung for his crimes. (like Jesse James).
Jesse James was not hung. He was shot from behind.
--
Rick
Sorry Rick, I didn't re-read the post and therefore didn't realise that it
could be taken that way. I meant that our bushranger - named Ned Kelly -
was hung for his crimes, bank robbery, cop killing etc.

I used the name Jesse James because I believe that our bushrangers are
similar types of people to what Jesse James was to you and I couldn't
remember the term outlaw at the time.
Kevin Wilcox
2005-02-21 20:41:00 UTC
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While drooling on their shoelaces, chrissynow spouted:

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Post by chrissynow
Sorry Rick, I didn't re-read the post and therefore didn't realise that it
could be taken that way. I meant that our bushranger - named Ned Kelly -
was hung for his crimes, bank robbery, cop killing etc.
How accurate (I know that it's a long stretch to use that phrase in
this situation, but I'm curious) was the film "Ned Kelly" with Heath
Ledger?
chrissynow
2005-02-22 05:50:01 UTC
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Post by chrissynow
Sorry Rick, I didn't re-read the post and therefore didn't realise that it
could be taken that way. I meant that our bushranger - named Ned Kelly -
was hung for his crimes, bank robbery, cop killing etc.
How accurate (I know that it's a long stretch to use that phrase in
this situation, but I'm curious) was the film "Ned Kelly" with Heath
Ledger?
Personally I have not seen the film because I have a concern with making
heroes out of people who do the things he did but I believe it tells the
legend quite well making Ned out to be a poor little Irish boy who was
picked on and then unfairly hung for his crimes.

Although personally I don't agree with the death penalty, which fortunately
we don't have in Australia any more, I do believe that he wasn't the poor
little victim that this movie and the earlier one starring Mick Jagger made
him out to be and therefore deserved some form of strong punishment for his
crimes.

Virginia Taylor
2005-02-20 21:50:50 UTC
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Post by chrissynow
We are a strange bunch Down Under as we make a hero out of a sheep-stealing
thief who commits suicide rather than face up to his actions and a police
murdering bushranger who was hung for his crimes. (like Jesse James).
I suppose Australia's early history (mainly settled by exiled
lawbreakers) might have something to do with this attitude.
The Admiral
2005-02-21 06:33:37 UTC
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2005-02-20 14:08:24 UTC
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Here's the lyrics and the explanation of the Aussie slang words:

Once a jolly swagman camped by a Billabong
Under the shade of a Coolabah tree
And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
"Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?"

Down come a jumbuck to drink at the water hole
Up jumped a swagman and grabbed him in glee
And he sang as he stowed him away in his tucker bag
"You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me'".

Up rode the Squatter a riding his thoroughbred
Up rode the Trooper - one, two, three
"Where's that jumbuck you've got in your tucker bag?",
"You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me".

But the swagman he up and jumped in the water hole
Drowning himself by the Coolabah tree,
And his ghost may be heard as it sings in the Billabong,
"Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?"

A.B. (Banjo) Paterson

Explanation of Australian slang in the song
Billabong A waterhole.
Billy A can or small kettle used to boil water for tea.
Coolabah tree A type of native tree in Australia
Jumbuck A sheep. There are 20 times as many sheep as there are people
in Australia.
Squatter At one time, squatters claimed (seized) land for
themselves in addition to land that they had been granted. Eventually
through the continuous occupation of the land, their claims were
legitimised in the eyes of the law.
Swagman Someone who lives on the open road. A hobo. The term came from
the canvas bag that they would carry their bedroll and/or belongings
in.
Trooper In Australia's early days, there was no police force. The
colony was protected by and policed by soldiers and even when a police
force was eventually formed, they were still referred to as
'troopers'.
Tucker bag A bag for storing food in the bush.

P.S. I have the New Christy Minstrels version too and think it's the
best version I've ever heard.

Rick Daly,
Folk U.S.A.
www.folkusa.org
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